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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hya Guys,

It’s great what Snipe is doing, maybe a little over the top day after day but if he has the time then more power to him.

I would say for those that are preparing for big competitions this year is to get out there in all the different conditions you can, I know it’s cold out there for us in Europe but the harder the conditions you can find and practice in all goes to making you think mentally about how to overcome the elements. We all have good days and bad days and on the day of the competition it’s about having the ability to remember how you dealt with those same conditions in practice.

If you are shooting Air Rifle indoors you know it’s going to be easier same if you are doing Rimfire for that matter, I know a lot of people don’t time them self while they are practicing. If you have the pellets or the .22lr sorted and you are hitting the 250’s all the time then you’re just wasting your ammo. You need to push your abilities as much as you can.

If you’re just shooting inside then why not practice zeroing your scope, give it some turns to really put it out of zero, and then start the clock, remember you only have 20 minutes if you’re shooting indoors. It’s all about pushing what you as person can do as the rifle will do most of the work. (You may not have the chance a competition to zero your rifle from 25 to 50, so it’s a good exercise)

If you are going to do training then don’t make it easy push you and your equipment to its limits or outside your comfort zone, but always against the clock. If not then you’re just plinking.

Some will say you either have the knack to read the wind like DJ from America or can hit the target time after time or not, but there is just so many combinations of direction, speed, down draft and up draft that you can’t remember everything but you can learn to get a good idea of what is going to happen just depends how close you get the ten or X and really that is what it’s about when dealing with outside shooting.

There are a lot of you guys going to the big competitions this, I will not be one of those but I would suggest that maybe you use this forum in a way to talk about how you are doing things to help each other in your views on what you are doing to help each other. The UK team even though all over the country should start to communicate on what they are doing well on but also what they’re not doing so well on so that you work together to support each other, you will all be shooting as individuals but also as teams and the more that you support each other more chance you have of bringing home the backon.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi Gaz

Nice to hear from you Smile A lot of where I am at now is down to Buxted and nothing else , you guys are a wealth of knowledge and great shooters . In one of my other posts I did thank you guys for this and some by name . Yes for a while I was just an average shooter and I have really worked hard since I moved as I am now man on a mission . At the moment I am shooting inside as it is too cold to shoot outside (it has been minus 10 here for about a month now .) Once it warms a little I will then start using the outdoor range as this is how the comps will be shot . I have also made changes to the gun , I think I was very lucky to get one with a very good barrel , it was just me in the past that was letting the gun down , but I have now worked really hard on this. I have free floated the barrel and at the moment I am experimenting with no muzzle break and at the moment the gun is much more accurate . I also clean the barrel after every card as the barrel on my gun shoots at is best when like new .
For 2010 I am looking into travelling to Malta and maybe some of the other countries to shot in their open events as I think this will be benificial before the Europeans .

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:24 pm    Post subject: personal on shooting Reply with quote
Hi Gamekeeper.
Personal veiws get short trift on here,and turn into lectures from others
who seem to think that only their way of doing is right.So with that in mind I hope you will understand if I refrain from adding my thoughts on the subject of training on this forum and just get on with doing what I do.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hya John,
I don’t think it is about people saying their way is the best way at all, I think that it’s about sharing views and ideas and then for individuals to try their hand at the different ways to see what suits them, this in itself is no different than the great work you do with the youngsters at your club.
On the other hand if team members are only going to work as individuals in the run up to the Europeans and not support each other, then I think this is a sad mistake. From my experience in watching other the teams they do work together and support each other and it is just my view that this is something that the British team lacks in its run up to events like this.
We have all started off from learning from others, if that is lecturing I think that would be taking it in the wrong context, as we know from other things that those who want to run as a one man band get it totally wrong, how you as a team perform is entirely up to you, but maybe speak to those from other countries on how they do things maybe worthwhile listening to.

On another note a new law is coming into effect for gun clubs as for those working with young adults and venerable people will now have to be CRB checked, due to an incident that happened, this may affect you John in the work you do at your club and maybe worthwhile investigating how the NSRA which i am sure you club is affiliated to can help with this.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 9:39 am    Post subject: young people Reply with quote
Hi Andy.
I have already expressed MY opinions on all of your points.I have been involved in the shooting sports fo 30 years in that time I have read many books on shooting,I have been on various courses so that I could be better qualified,and I have various bits of paper which says John Farrell has achieved this or that qualifacation.
In one of my posts which others seem to have ignored. I said get good kit practise and more practise use the BITS you Read or have Seen if it suits. I Have used pretty simple language because in my ten years as trainer in another part of the shooting sports [people can grasp simple]It works.I have had something like 400 trainees over 10 years[blows ones own trumpet]so I think I have gained little knowledge.
The young persons act will not affect me as I will will only be involved if their parent or guardian is present,no unaccompanied Juniors for me.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:28 am    Post subject: Re: young people Reply with quote
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............ The young persons act will not affect me as I will will only be involved if their parent or guardian is present,no unaccompanied Juniors for me.
Regards John F.


Just as it should be John, as more often than not, the parent becomes involved by association and the resultant quality time spent in each others company, is worth it's weight in gold.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:01 pm    Post subject: Young Folk Reply with quote
Hi Gary
Thats exactly how I see it. I am also aware that this new act is yet another control on shooting,and I wonder if in some way it is a reaction to a statment made by one of the childrens charities last year.If we are already deemed fit and proper persons to have firearms,why does our shooting organisation want us to have another bit of paper to say we are fit to be around children?I have only just been made aware about this act and I confess I don't know a lot about it,so I will ask at the club and see what information they have on the subject. Regards John F.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The CRB check has all come about after an inccident at a club, more info on the new CRB check can be found on the NSRA website:
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Thanks for the info Andy,I will still want a parent or gaurdian present whenever I am involved with young people,and I think in the long run Parents will understand the need to attend, after all they do for other sports.
Paid Professional people who are in contact with young persons yes,they should vetted ,but I do'nt think that joe blogs who gets a gang of young kids together[with the blessing of the parents]to play whatever sport should have to jump through hoops.Just my opinion.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I agree what your saying John, but the other hand it protects you as well as the young person or vonerable pereson.

This does bring up another situation with the team youths are they having parents going with them to the Europeans if not this could be a problem under the new laws as you would need to have a minder of somekind to be with them 24/7. don't get me wrong not trying to cause issue but this needs to be looked at as soon as possible as UKBR22 could be held accontable as well as the team or individual.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:24 pm    Post subject: Youngsters Reply with quote
Hi Andy.
Parents traveled to the nationals as you know. The europeans,the same.
No Parent no Junior i'm afraid,I do'nt think its right to ask a club member to be responsible for other peoples children in any case.[Especially on away day's]
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Peter & I agreed on No Parent No Junior policy for AUS Team after last World Champs. A shooter needs to worry about their own competition not someone elses child. Harsh but true & as said it then also protects everyone.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:44 am    Post subject: Juniors Reply with quote
Hi Bill.
I aggree it is harsh,but we are been put in this position, its certainly not my choise.When a parent is present you are in a position to still look out for them, and I know I do,you will as well, you can't see em struggle can you.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Jens,
you and your Finnish colleagues would be very welcome to our 50m benchrest event in Ireland in April ((17/1Cool. We wont be using snowmobiles to change targets but dont rule out rowing boats.
We would all benefit from your participation.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thank You Ireland, we appreciate Your invitation Smile

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